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the_gneech ([personal profile] the_gneech) wrote2009-10-25 10:40 am

Windows 7 Update: It Still Doesn't Suck

In case people were wondering.

-TG

[identity profile] barberio.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
It being too difficult to find the setting you need to change in the mess of a control panel still kind of sucks. But otherwise, it doesn't suck. Oh, except it's still over-priced for what you get.

[identity profile] canisrufus-uk.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 02:45 pm (UTC)(link)
True, finding some of the settings is a bit fiddly, but one it's set up is seems to run nice and smoothly

[identity profile] barberio.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
The best example I can find of really stupid feature hiding is that there's room-acoustics correction burred in a setting hidden deeply nested in the control panel. This is something that on hardware AV equipment adds £100 to the price tag, but is in Windows 7 for 'free' but totally hidden and disabled by default.

[identity profile] the-gneech.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Keep in mind, this is relative to Vista I'm talking about here.

-TG

[identity profile] barberio.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
That's like saying Denny's doesn't suck compared to McDonald's.

[identity profile] camstone.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Sure, but if your next choice is a run down Howard Johnson's... I mean, seriously, all compy OS suck... its a relative matter of how much they suck.

Win7 sucks less than Vista, about the same - maybe a little better than XP. Not quite Apple, but with better an engine more like a Ford than an Buick.

"YMMV."

[identity profile] the-gneech.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, Denny's does suck compared to McDonald's, at least around here.

-TG

[identity profile] camstone.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I find "it doesn't suck" also... so I am buying the 3 for one package for the house, and the wife got a $30 educational offer through school.

But I concur, I am not that impressed with the control panel, and set mine to a more classical style.

[identity profile] torakiyoshi.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm looking forward to trying it out. :)

-=TK

[identity profile] mapdark.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 03:09 pm (UTC)(link)
My computer still hasn't exploded yet.
Neither has it gone "vista" on my ass.
So I'm happy.

Thus this ad :


is total BS

[identity profile] the-gneech.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Sad thing is, XP was a perfectly good OS. So naturally, M$ wanted to get -that- thing off the market as aggressively as possible.

FWIW, that ad could be totally flipped (i.e., Mac guy promising to fix previous MacOS problems) and be just as true if not more so.

-TG

[identity profile] mapdark.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Snow leopard had this bug that erased data randomly when it was released..

So I think the ad is hypocritical

[identity profile] sirfox.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Something about the look of the new box art/logo/product splash they have was poking at my brain. I've been getting it on my monitor when i log into windows live to play a co-op game. I think i figured out last night what was making something in my brain tickle.

the brushed metal/lighting/feel/friendly curves/etc of it is like something you'd see out of the folks at apple, and the whole thing wanders (in my brain at least) into some kind of trademarky uncanny valley.

I hope it continues to be awesome. I'll think about picking it up after others have had a decent burn-in period.

[identity profile] barberio.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Microsoft, copy Apple? Surely you Jest!

[identity profile] mapdark.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Because Apple NEVER copies anyone else.

I mean , their OS is TOTALLY not a mod of freebsd , they totally not steal the GUI idea from Xerox or anything >_>

[identity profile] barberio.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Um... As a bit of a computer history geek, the "Mac stole their GUI from Xerox" idea is BS.

The Xerox Star was a word-processor and graphic design system, it was *not* a general computer interface. It was designed specifically for creating documents, and organising the types of items you would have in those documents. The only way to purchase a Xerox Star initially was as part of a full "personal office system" intended to replace an entire traditional office and installed by Xerox, then later with purchase of a Xerox Laser Printer. The Xerox Star was always seen and marketed as the graphical control system for a printer, that could do a few other office related tasks as well.

Saying Apple, Microsoft, Sun, BEos, Amiga and Atari 'stole' the Xerox Star GUI for their general purpose computer systems GUIs would make as much sense as saying Xerox 'stole' the idea of object based point and click GUIs from Ivan Sutherland's Sketchpad.

ps. OS X is *not* a mod of freebsd. It uses some of freebsd's user land, but the kernel and core OS of XNU is completely different, as is the user shell and GUI, having originated from NeXTSTEP.

pps. Saying Apple copied NeXTSTEP would be a bit silly, since NeXT was Steve Jobs's company during his hiatus from Apple.

[identity profile] plonq.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I pre-ordered it back when they were selling it at half price. Supposedly it's in the mail, so I'll know sometime in the next week or so if I am going to love it or hate it (though I suppose ambivalence isn't completely off the table).

As long as it doesn't let the blue smoke out of my computer I'll be happy.

[identity profile] barberio.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
If you could handle XP, you'll be able to handle Windows 7. With the major caveats that the Control Panel is now even more confusing and hard to navigate. It has an improved security model, but the implementation is still going to be suspect enough that you will want to install a virus scanner first thing, and run it behind a firewall. I still would not recommend using Windows as a public accessible server or for any situation requiring more than 90% uptime. It's fine for a media and games desktop tho.

[identity profile] winterknight01.livejournal.com 2009-10-25 07:06 pm (UTC)(link)
All software sucks.

Some software just sucks less.

[/cliche]

[identity profile] grizzly47.livejournal.com 2009-10-26 04:26 am (UTC)(link)


No Suck?

That's good! Wonder if I could upgrade my 8 year old HP running on XP to Windows 7 without problems?

[identity profile] the-gneech.livejournal.com 2009-10-26 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
That would be a big ol' no.

Besides, if you've got XP, why would you want to upgrade?

-TG

[identity profile] keross.livejournal.com 2009-10-26 02:42 pm (UTC)(link)
We also have a 8 year old machine runing XP V3. (And I am perfectly happy, thank you). I suspected upgrading would be nearly impossible, now I sure. Thanks. :-) You may have just saved an argument/debate in our house, a headache and some money with that one line.

[identity profile] genecatlow.livejournal.com 2009-10-27 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
If something comes along that I need, that absolutely demands Win7, I'll think about it. XP and Win2000 are all I need so far.