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I did this piece to help cheer up a friend who's having a rough week (and who happens to be a Leonard fan). I'm not entirely happy with it, but I can't really put my finger on why.

Leonard, in jeans.

Suggestions welcome. :)

-The Gneech

Date: 2004-07-29 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] invisiblewolf.livejournal.com
It's a really sexy drawing. :-)

It looks like that Leonard's chest/shoulders aren't quite correctly placed with respect to each other. I would suggest raising the top of his chest a bit, especially at the corners.

My non-artistic $0.02. :-)

-Spiritwolf.

I find no fault in this Lion

Date: 2004-07-29 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiger-claw.livejournal.com
It looks pretty good to me Mr. The Gneech. If I were to say one thing, it's that I've never seen Leonard bareback in jeans before. I think this could be a new look for him. Perhaps it could be that particular pose that he's in. It looks as if he's modelling for one of the male magazines, or maybe even Drezzer! :D

Hehe, wouldn't that be funny!

Tiger Claw :3

Date: 2004-07-29 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kheetor84.livejournal.com
*both her and Hope turn into goo at the sight of him*

Date: 2004-07-29 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bauske.livejournal.com
Looks great to me! I can understand you thinking something is wrong with it. As wonderful as it is, something seems off and I can't put my finger on what. I've already checked into arms, and the rest of the upper body looks fine to me. Maybe I'm just going crazy. Or maybe you put doubt into my head. >.>

No seriously, it's awesome. I'll keep at it to see if there's anything I can find that could use work, but right now, it's perfect.

Date: 2004-07-29 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhanlav.livejournal.com
Spiffy. As for why your not happy with it.. uh... could it be that the arms aren't quite posed right, to have the fingers loop into the belt loop and pocket? Not sure. Thats the only thing I could think that might be it.

Date: 2004-07-29 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurie-robey.livejournal.com
The only thing I can point to that might be what you're seeing is it looks a little bit like it's skewed to the left.

Date: 2004-07-29 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] usagiweaver.livejournal.com
Not to be picky, but YOU asked!

There's definitely something wonky about it but it's hard to place exactly what. It may have something to do with the arms.(Trogdor!)They look like they're 'hung on'. And the elbow on the right side is odd.

Date: 2004-07-29 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vverevvolf.livejournal.com
Hmm... Still better than I'd ever be able to do... To me... I think the problem is something about the left chest area.... I know he's got a buff chest, but to me it just looks like it's sticking out over the arm way too much... then on the other side it's the opposite, the arm is overlapping the chest... the chest is also raised higher which makes it look smaller, which confuses things because it's the side that's appearantly closest to the viewer... A small collection of minor overlapping differences which is subtle enough to not look 'wrong' individually but taking the picture as a whole things just look... off.

Date: 2004-07-29 01:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-mcp.livejournal.com
Hmmm... to echo the other respondants here, there does seem to be something "off" about it, but exactly what...

OK -- when in doubt, conduct an experiment to gather empirical evidence. :) After standing up and adopting a similar pose while looking in a mirror, I think what makes the pose look "off kilter" is that unless Leonard has much longer-than-average arms, his elbows are positioned too far away from his ribcage, and the right arm (viewer's right, that is!) describes too much of an angle.

They're positioned in a way that would be more appropriate if he had his hands chocked on his hips, which would be a shorter distance from the shoulders to the point of contact between hand and body and would thus necessitate more of an elbow angle. With his thumbs hooked in his pockets, his hands are below the hipline, and also pulled forward a bit to the front of the body, which makes a longer line from the shoulder and should pull the arms a bit straighter than they appear to be.

Also, the natural tendancy of a person standing in this pose would be to have the upper arm going back (away from the viewer) slightly, then the forearm coming forward again, putting the elbow slightly behind the body. This would also tend to flatten out the apparent angle from the viewer's 2D perspective -- right now, he kinda looks like he's trying to do the Superman pose, with the elbows pulled deliberately forward to be even with the front of the body -- which is a dramatic pose, to be sure, but not the natural "fall" of a more relaxed pose such as this.

Date: 2004-07-29 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kamau-d-lyon.livejournal.com
Okay, here's someone who can't draw well slipping into critic mode.
1) His right ear looks a little pointed.
2) If I recall from the strip he has a fuller mane then this drawing has.
3) Eyes have something wrong but I'm not sure exactly what. maybe not enough white? Maybe unbalanced (even with the side glance taken into account)?

Hope that helps.

Date: 2004-07-29 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aidax.livejournal.com
Tis a very sexah piccie there :)

About the 'wonkiness' you refer to, the only thing I can evenly vaguely kind of see is the difference sizewise of the pectorals. Other than that it's cool :)

Date: 2004-07-29 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipuni.livejournal.com
I think I see what's wrong.

The tilt of his body at the top suggests that his right shoulder is closer to the viewer than the left. His arms have about the same angle. But the left hand is lower than the right -- making it look like he has a longer left arm than right arm.

Regardless, it's a beautiful sketch! He looks yummy!

Date: 2004-07-29 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] willowanderer.livejournal.com
Seriosly? I think his forearms look a little short. A trifle too narrow in comparison to his biceps as well. But still, pretty cool.

Date: 2004-07-29 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_litho_/
Ah, here's the original :)

Yesl, the second is better. Specifically the arms and hips. :) Abdomen is more defined too, but wasn't quite as odd in this version. :)

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